Chat Transcript for Review Session 5

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Note that if it doesn't say who typed, then that's me (Grisha).

Good morning, see you all soon!
Teressa Hill
Teressa Hill
Good morning!
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Hi Grisha and everyone!
Good morning Teress and Stephen ๐Ÿ™‚
Sara Marshall
Sara Marshall
Valentine's Day BAT, how perfect!
Susan
Happy Valentines Day all!
Dayna Villa
Dayna Villa
Hi! I can only stay on until 10:45 today. Happy Valentines Day everyone!
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Looking forward to today's action and lessons with Team Sophie.
Teressa Hill
Teressa Hill
I am enjoying these "lovely" videos on this Valentines Day.
Thanks for coming Dayna
Teressa Hill
Teressa Hill
Grisha, what is the name of the song that is playing now?
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Can't hear a song...
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Ah, unmuting helps!
Victoria Gideon-Photography
Victoria Gideon-Photography
good morning!
Laura Glaser Harrington
Good morning
Laura Glaser Harrington
it's Laura
Good fmorning
Brian J. Sweet
Brian J. Sweet
hearts to all
Jacqueline Moreno
Jacqueline Moreno
Hi!
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
UK dates soon?
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
hello! Please hold the dates of 9/16-9/20 (five days) for UK Cert Course
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Where Ellen?
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
hang on... I have to look at spelling of city lol
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
If the dog is moving very fast but not directly at the trigger, would you still continue?
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
good morning all
good morning!
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Hi Barbara
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Stephen: Godmanchester
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Thanks Ellen. About 200 miles from me. Hadn't appreciated it was a 5-day course...
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Lots of hands on and material to cover. ๐Ÿ™‚
leashlassie
leashlassie
Good morning!
Laura Glaser Harrington
having the team on the other side of the dog, away from the trigger, was a good suggestion
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Weds to Sun I think that is Ellen. May be difficult to get the weekdays. Cost?
Laura Glaser Harrington
okay:)
Dayna Villa
Dayna Villa
great
Brian J. Sweet
Brian J. Sweet
Sophie is doing a great job of providing 'learning opportunities' for the rest of us. ๐Ÿ™‚
Suzanne Huijs
Suzanne Huijs
Is she physically okay? Is her poop soft? Or is the 'zooming' learned behavior? Or does it only occur in more stressful situations with her?
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
a challenging dog gives us lots of important information
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Those fast moving dogs often benefit from "tapping the breaks" concept - as the lead goes out, pressure - release - pressure - release vs a full stop
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Anti-lock braking!!
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Agree, Grisha! Sophie is def getting more responsive
Dayna Villa
Dayna Villa
Suzanne her stool is good,no issues physically.
Laura Glaser Harrington
sort of like half halts for horse people?
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
a lot less time this session for Sophie choosing sniffing vs moving. Has this area been sniffed out for Sophie or might need more sniff spots.
Laura Glaser Harrington
what if you gave poop zoomie dogs a treat, tossed on the ground, right after the poop? If they come to expect that they may not zoom as much?
Caryl-Rose
So like tapping the brakes but not jerking into reverse?
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
If it's not zooming, but straight line not to trigger, is that OK?
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Fasrt...
Brian J. Sweet
Brian J. Sweet
Do all of you usually do BAT silently, or can voice be used to add benefit?
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Fast that should say
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Humans may practice leash skills with zoomies by tying the leash to a rolling chair and kicking it out. ๐Ÿ™‚
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Then stopping the chair from rolling away too far
Suzanne Huijs
Suzanne Huijs
Would be great if dogpeople could work with horses as well; a lot of the BAT-energy and -work is so great to feel/do with horses. It is so nice, since they are very sensitive f.e. for body language, energy, soft hands etc. :-).
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Doing clicker training with a horse Suzanne, so could try BAT too
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Horses are often scared of what may seem like "trivial" things like plastic bags or anything on the ground...
beverly kramer
beverly kramer
Bend at the knees seems to be a direction people have a difficult idea for many. TAG of "seat to heels" might work in visualizing a picture of what your body should look like.
Laura Glaser Harrington
squatting down is hard because she plows into you
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Have you got a brighter colour for the pointer Grisha?
Laura Glaser Harrington
movement of the other dog I think makes it harder for Sophie. So when she looks, and then dog moves away she got more excited
Dayna Villa
Dayna Villa
yes
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
I think for a dog like Sophie, that two-second guide is a good one, as well.
Laura Glaser Harrington
It was nice she checked in with Dayna before focusing on dog again
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
and not stepping forward might help
7:42 AM
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Do you always slide with both hands or just one to start with?
Dayna Villa
Dayna Villa
I need to pop off everyone- have a great and see you next week!
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Makes sense, thanks!
Laura Glaser Harrington
bye Dayna
Dayna Villa
Dayna Villa
I appreciate you too Grisha!! Bye!
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Thanks Dayna!
Suzanne Huijs
Suzanne Huijs
As I understand it you see the zooming as something that Sophie just is. I mean, it is not something you would read as that the situation in this field is (a bit) too difficult at the moment for her?
Suzanne Huijs
Suzanne Huijs
Ah, okay! ๐Ÿ™‚
Laura Glaser Harrington
haha
Laura Glaser Harrington
I think trigger moving is making it more difficult. If Stevie and dog were sitting it might be easy
Laura Glaser Harrington
easier
beverly kramer
beverly kramer
At one point you read the zooming as benign and then towards the end it appeared as though you changed your mind and wanted to get the zooming under control. What changed your mind?
Laura Glaser Harrington
Say that again please....zig zagging note
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
redirect attention with the zig zag will offer her a break from the environment and energy she is feeling
Laura Glaser Harrington
gotcha
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Hi Beverly, Grisha will comment, but I would say that the zooming increased: became more repetitive and faster so reducing her arousal level as presented in zoomies I think made sense
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
As well as the fast movement not directly at the trigger, is vocalising at the same time necessarily an issue or would you tend to stop if that happens?
Brian J. Sweet
Brian J. Sweet
Is there a difference, in your mind, between 'playfulness' and 'excitement'? Calm & unconcerned seems to be the goal, but a happy playful dog is also 'unconcerned'...??
Laura Glaser Harrington
what if we flipped the setup? Helper is in place in the bigger part of the field, closer field to the building is enriched. So she comes out, dog in background already
Laura Glaser Harrington
Good idea
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
I like the nosework play as it always presents with calming energy from what I've seen. Sniffing focuses the brain.
Teressa Hill
Teressa Hill
Exiting about Rise van Fleewt
yes! I'm excited too
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Glad to see some Sophie time...with all helpers sitting down and letting her do her thing.
totally!
Laura Glaser Harrington
yep
8:06 AM
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Loved the "happy" dog face on top of the table with her fan club. "This is more like it!"
Laura Glaser Harrington
when we put boxes out in the field, do we want to have some boxes with a treat, some upside with a tennis ball, some with toilet paper roll. Variety
Brian J. Sweet
Brian J. Sweet
I saw several situations where Sophie engaged with people, and the person's interaction back was also high energy and playful. Might there have been an opportunity to model a calmer energy level (resting hand on her vs vigorous petting, offer treats slowly, etc.) to help Sophie?
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
What will they do with Sophie after next week to continue the process?
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Stephen asked about vocalizing at the same time as zoomies even if away from trigger. I would suggesting stopping, for sure, because the arousal level is high with that combo of behavior.
Laura Glaser Harrington
ok
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Thanks Ellen.
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
What's the Barking Mad Grisha?
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
Using items in the boxes that cause arousal for Sophie, i.e. the ball may increase arousal?

Barking Mad: BAT and Other Techniques for Frustration


Brian J. Sweet
Brian J. Sweet
Love seeing how quickly Sophie & Simon are building their relationship.
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Thank you - interesting link name!
yes I'd rather use things that go away quickly, like treats
Laura Glaser Harrington
I agree Barbara, but I was thinking a tennis ball would be a fun find, but it's not tossed. Giving variety may keep it more interesting for Sophie
And I'd like to watch through the videos again and see what actually happens to her arousal when a ball is found
Laura Glaser Harrington
right, then she may just hold onto the ball
Because affect is important, not just arousal level. And she likes tennis balls.
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
Agree with Brian about petting energy, but also think if they kept petting shorter, 5 second then stop to see if she wants more may help too.
yes
Laura Glaser Harrington
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Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Brian, yes! I think establishing a relationship with this couple, decompressing in their home, finding outlets for arousal that allow her to have fun - a little routine that doesn't involve a routine of "what's next" - will make a huge difference; like with any dog, right? ๐Ÿ™‚
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
carrrying a ball can be soothing too
Jacqueline Moreno
Jacqueline Moreno
the team rocks!
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
On the UK course, where can I find the price?
Barbara Sperling
Barbara Sperling
well done team
Brian J. Sweet
Brian J. Sweet
I saw several situations where Sophie engaged with people, and the person's interaction back was also high energy and playful. Might there have been an opportunity to model a calmer energy level (resting hand on her vs vigorous petting, offer treats slowly, etc.) to help Sophie?
Suzanne Huijs
Suzanne Huijs
Does it work for Emma and Simon to manage her encounters with dogs at home?
Laura Glaser Harrington
Thanks Jacqueline:)
Laura Glaser Harrington
I've offered a complimentary session in the home
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Great suggestions re decompressing.
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Nice Laura!
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Yes, Jacqueline!
Laura Glaser Harrington
Thanks Stephen!
Suzanne Huijs
Suzanne Huijs
That's great Laura.
Brian J. Sweet
Brian J. Sweet
Thank you.
Stephen Bell
Stephen Bell
Ellen/Grisha - UK course booking?
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
HI Stephen! FB PM me - we are working on the detials
Susan
Thanks all! fascinating
Suzanne Huijs
Suzanne Huijs
Thank you all! ๐Ÿ˜€
Registration should be on https://officialbatschool.com/ - now or soon
Michael's class (not BAT, should be good contrast): https://grishastewart.com/aggression2020
Barbara Sperling
Looking forward to Michael's class.
me too!
Suzanne Huijs
Suzanne Huijs
O btw Stephen, I did CT with horses too. ๐Ÿ™‚ Soo nice isnt it.