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Note that if it doesn’t say who typed, then that’s Grisha.

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From a student: Do you think you can ask him to talk a little bit about threshold, how important it is to monitor that and why that’s so important.
6:58 AM
Joe Grant
Joe Grant
Would you consider doing more sessions if the clients weren’t already experienced or if they hadn’t got the dogs so far along on their own in the first place?
9:14 AM
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
Great question about threshold! There are a variety of definitions for “threshold” when scouring the literature, however, for purposes of this discussion, we can define it as “the distance from and intensity of the stimulus at which point the dog displays a certain behaviors.”
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
We would typically determine what those behaviors are for that dog through previous descriptions, or video when safe to do so. For example Dog A’s threshold behavior might be tongue flicks, hard staring, barking, lunging on leash. Dog B’s behaviors might be growling, weight shift
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
forward, and mouth held tensely shut.
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
The risks involved when dogs “go over threshold” is that they may practice the undesirable behaviors (potential reinforcement by gaining distance from the stimulus); the dog may experience stress, anxiety, fear, or frustration.
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
Hi Joe! Yes, more sessions may be necessary for clients who are not as far along in training than Jill and Stacy. Though, each case is unique dependent on a number of variables including the severity of the case; range of antecedents; health issues that may need to be addressed;
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
client’s ability to train; client’s time and financial resources; the effectiveness of the behavior change plan; client’s ability to manage; how much we can modify and control the environment; and size/breed/age/sex of dog.
7:26 PM
Thanks Mike! That definition of threshold is very specific and measurable. That’s really useful!
8:03 PM
TY
Hi Mike. Could you share with us a list of common medication that could cause increase in anxiety or aggression?
8:27 AM
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
Hi TY! Thanks for your question. I will preface my this with the fact that I am not a vet, so it is always best to consult with a veterinarian or Board Certified Veterinary Behaviorist if there is a concern about a particular medication. Ok! The more common meds I see:
8:32 AM
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
Prednisone (or other steroid class drugs or corticosteroids), PPA or phenylproponolamine, NSAIDs, Apoquel, Phenobarbital, and Tramadol. It is also important to be aware of the potential disinhibiting effect of some meds that are used for behavior issues such as benzodiazepines.
3:42 PM
jemw
checking before the session starts 🙂
Hi Jemma!
jemw
ello
3:49 PM
do you see a video?
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
Hello!
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
I can’t see any video
jemw
no, grey screen saying scheduled for midnight
Susan
no video yet
Iain Sneddon
Iain Sneddon
Hi Everyone Checking chat
Caryl-Rose
Got audio but no videoyet.
I’m getting audio and video onmine
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
No audio or video for me, it just tells me the event will start in 9 minutes
Can you hit play? Or refresh your page?
Caryl-Rose
Seeing a play list on mine.
perfect
jemw
up now, did the refresh and relog in to chat
Iain Sneddon
Iain Sneddon
have audio but video is showing frozen list of songs
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
I hear background music and Michael talking with someone off screen.
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
And now Grisha!
Susan
yes
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Yes.
jemw
yaaay
Iain Sneddon
Iain Sneddon
yes
Susan
yes again
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
Refreshed page, can see video, no audio for me though 🙁
jemw
kettle time before we start lol
Sheila H Ferguson
sounds and looks good
yay thanks Sheila
Harriet Zucker
Harriet Zucker
harriet. it worked!
yay
jemw
is it unmuted marissa? mine was automatically on mute when i logged in
Jayne Fine
Jayne Fine
@Marisa- there is a button on the upper right and one on the lower left that control the audio, check to see if those are muted
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
Refreshed again and can now see and hear everything
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
Is the audio cutting in and out for anyone else?
that’s me doing that
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
Ok cool 🙂
should be working now
Caryl-Rose
yes!
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
not for me 🙁 I will try refreshing again
Janet Graham
I can’t hear anything
can you hear now?
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Hi Grisha and Mike
Iain Sneddon
Iain Sneddon
sounding good this end
Mute is on the video itself and on the lower right is volume
Michael Shikashio
Michael Shikashio
Hi everyone!
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Hey heyt
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
hey.
Marra
It is all working for me. Good morning (from Oz)
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
I thought Mike was doing the box breathing. ;>
Janet Graham
It’s working!
LOL
yay Janet
LOL was for the box breathing, not the vet issues
Making sure comments are still working?
Marissa Treece, CPDT-KA
yes
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
they are working
“_
🙂
Emily Gestrin
Ugh, if only my client videos were THIS amazing!
Nancy
Are we supposed to be hearing audio on the session video? (I’m not hearing clicks)
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
IF he delays in looking back would that be considered close to “threshold?”
Kirtan Yoga Christchurch
Kirtan Yoga Christchurch
cant hear sounds of video
Nancy
🙂
jemw
ah thats better
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Yes…can hear clicks now.
🙂
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
is he nervous of Mike holding camera? or just really interested in why Mike is down low?
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Great camera angles.
Mike is his dad
Shannon Sullivan
how do I get sound? I don’t see a mute/unmute in the player
It’s in the upper right of the video box
Shannon Sullivan
i don’t have anything in the upper right of the video box
you may have to mouse over to see it?
jemw
just a question for later but what brand of harness is that?
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
looks like a Balance Harness.
Shannon Sullivan
even when i mouse over
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
No, I saw it. I was wondering if all the orienting with the camera Mike (husband) is holding was causing him to be nervous of camera or wanted to check in with husband
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
no I’m wrong about the harness.
Looks like a freedom harness.
Shannon Sullivan
i think it’s a freedom harness
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
its a freedom harness
jemw
thankyou, don’t think they are so easy to get here
Shelly Wood
Shelly Wood
She has great leash handling skills.
Balance Harness is better anyway
or Perfect Fit
jemw
i just find perfect fit stretch a lot if you use the front clip
Nienke
Nienke
Good morning from the other side of the globe. 🙂
Hi Nienke
Questions for mike?
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Wondering if a squeeze tube with cream cheese might be a quicker treat tool?
Kristine Mele Uw-aab Cpdt-ka
Kristine Mele Uw-aab Cpdt-ka
Are there multiple cameras setup?
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Do you think Luke may have gone over to daddy mike for relief / or any soothing? or just Hi there
Shelly Wood
Shelly Wood
It’s great that he is already acclimated to a muzzle. If you were working with an average pet person and the dog was not yet acclimated to muzzle, how would that have impacted the starting point with training?
Julie
Are you saying that rubbing his muzzle on the couch was a stress/displacement signal?
Wendy Lien
Wendy Lien
is it important to go all the way back before moving forward again?
jemw
thankyou
Karolin Klinck
Karolin Klinck
So before you decrease distance to the sitting visitor you will work on more intensity, correct?
He mentioned the Haqihana, it’s great
jemw
do you mean the blue 9 balance or the t touchbalance
technically both were designed by TTouch folks 🙂
jemw
ooh
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Noticed the leash would get tight, then click, multiple times. Would clicking sooner help keep the lead loose?
Janet Graham
Do you care if the harness is front or back attaching?
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
The Haqihana harness does not have a front clip, but the front D-Ring is very sturdy and what I use for LLW with my pups
yes I agree
jemw
that’s good to know thankyou
jemw
whats the timer for sorry?
Shannon Sullivan
Shannon Sullivan
2 questions: how are you deciding how long to make the trials? and is there any reason for her to make an effort to keep luke by her side?
so they don’t go back exactly every 30 seconds
jemw
ah i see
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
There was some nice tail wags while looking at neighbor Mike
Nancy
Where is Instructor Mike’s voice coming from? (One of the phones?)
yes
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Much softer lead this go round
Shannon Sullivan
Shannon Sullivan
and not to stare at him 🙂
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Do you recommend not baiting hand, since Luke is more interested in watching her?
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Maybe have Neighbor Mike stand sideways
jemw
this has more camera angles than some films, it’s a great setup!
yes!
Penny Bolton
Penny Bolton
I am experiencing a repeat of the previous 5 minutes or so….?
jemw
has it logged you out? that happened to me last week, i just logged in again
Try refreshing.
🙂 thanks Jem
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
oh i loved that just now
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Do you want to encourge Neighbor Mike to look away and some calming signals?
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Nice Modeling Luke
Emily Gestrin
Instructor Mike: When you are coaching pet owners in real time, have you ever experienced the potential issue where you are instructing the client on exactly WHEN to click, but then there is a 1-2 second delay in when they actually hear you via the live stream?
Jayne Fine
Jayne Fine
good question Emily!
I wonder about molding the muzzle shape a little? Mike has a great youtube video about that
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
I’m curious as to what this software is?
Would that be a good opportunity to follow him away?
Emily Gestrin
Jayne: This has happened to me in the past when I’ve done remote sessions and I don’t know how to address it
Shannon Sullivan
Shannon Sullivan
It appears to be vimeo
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
thank you Shannon. I’m only familiar with zoom
I’ve put together several pieces for this. 🙂
jemw
did you say last week this is along the lines of CAT
Nancy
Oooooh, this is like playing “telephone”. From Instructor Mike to Stacy to Daddy Mike to Neighbour Mike!
haha yes
The Mike session
Caryl-Rose
Would the dog benefit from the muzzle being removed during an upcoming break? Seem to be getting a bit more muzzle rubbing.
Nancy
Mike Session! Excellent.
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Great timing of the click.
jemw
he’s a gorgeous dog
Emily Gestrin
Great session! Someone needs to call Pizza Mike. Errrbody gets pizza!
Jacqueline Moreno
totally handsome Luke
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Dad as a naturally occurring reinforcer?
Amanda Haydon
Wow, Stacy is doing wonderful! So exciting!
jemw
thankyou
Wendy Lien
Wendy Lien
could you summarize flow? Not sure I understand when the handler should guide dog and when the dog should drive the movement
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
hahah so true on the harness trivia
Carrie M
This is a huge space to work in with lots of room to advance and retreat. How do you deal with a much smaller indoor working space?
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Would you work neighbor Mike say at the door during the daytime first?
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
to play with the intensity?
Harriet Zucker
Harriet Zucker
what is wit his eyes? I might have missed something
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Harriet =- at the beginning of the video.
Get ready Jill 🙂
Harriet Zucker
Harriet Zucker
i meant going on with is eyes. I missed it at work. designer walked in (thought everyone left o
jemw
if luke had had a reaction to mike, would you have just removed him from the situation or would there have still been a click?
At the beginning they talked about the vet visit for his eyes
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Great Job Stacy, Mike, and Luke
Antonia Goodfellow
Antonia Goodfellow
I noticed in the last session Stacy was moving her own body a bit and I was wondering how much it might be prompting movement from Luke to notice neighbour Mike. I was wondering what difference (if any) it might have made to wait Luke out until Luke chose to look at neighbourMike
Penny Bolton
Penny Bolton
Love to see how hard everyone is working on this. Thanks for sharing!
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Brave Stacy!
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Sometimes when chicken is a valuable “treat” for the owner (hassle to make, expensive, etc) then the owner will direct the dog to make sure they eat the chicken, kind of forgetting about the behavior happening.
Marie Selarque
Marie Selarque
where is Jill?
Handling the dog
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
I hope my chicken as treats comment didn’t read like don’t use chicken lol just observations and curious if you guys ever notice that? For later discussion
5:07 PM
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Jill? are you marking for engaging and also disengaging?
I’d like to see a video of her training Mia when she isn’t expecting a trigger, to see how training itself impacts tail height.
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
yes. I agree Grisha
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Would it support Mia’s comfort to allow for more movement similar to Luke and Stacy’s walking and using a longer leash?
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
yes, yes!
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Loved what Mike just said
Dani Office
Dani Office
: )
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
I’m wondering if Jill’s body language is signalling her that scary stuff may start?
Could Lucas could also maybe be turned sideways and not face on
?
🙂 Hi Dani
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Might standing at and facing the sink look more normal?
Jayne Fine
Jayne Fine
is it typical to use multiple camera angles when you’re doing remote consults?
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
mute her computer?
Nancy
Can he position the phone horizontally?
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
a little tail wag!
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Jill’s body looks a little more relaxed in video with son and husband.
yes this live one is more relaxed than the recorded one from this week
Shannon Sullivan
Shannon Sullivan
again would like to know how you’re deciding how long to make the sessions and breaks
Penny Bolton
Penny Bolton
repeating last 5 minutes again?
Thanks for the questions everyone, and thanks for being patient with the fact that Michael can’t answer them during the training.
jemw
that’s quite a noise distraction
Lindsay Walsh
Mia’s tail tucked when Stan walked behind her to stand near the gate
Penny try refreshing
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
that tail…
Sorry that train was here in my studio
jemw
aah
Dani Office
Dani Office
I was wondering
jemw
thought mia was doing well haha
LOL
Caryl-Rose
Does it help reduce stress for the dog if the treat is delivered in a way that encourages the dog to take at least a step or two (not closer to the trigger) but either parallel or away? Or tossed on the ground for a moment of sniff and find?
I thought my mic was off, sorry
I love that it’s obvious when a CBATI asks a question. Space/time/movement/empowerment 🙂
Michael is doing such a good job coaching. So smooth
jemw
tails gone
jemw
wow that tail really talks
He gives really clear specific directions.
Caryl-Rose
Food by left foot…take one step back. LOVE how clear and explicit!!
Exactly
Amanda Haydon
NICE! Great sessions tonight, I love how the family
Amanda Haydon
Is involved
The deep end of the pool is probably the easy end for the animal when you’re working with marine mammals? lol
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Ha…Grisha. ;>
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
LOL Grisha
🙂 Just thinking that metaphor is funny with her being a dolphin trainer
jemw
are we able to message michael or is it better to contact him via his buisness page?
open it in a new window
I’ll ask
You mean Facebook?
jemw
yes
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
What if there was a bell on the door that cued her to go to spot with a treat and train dispenser if Jill isn’t available? Is that crazy idea?
jody
thank you, Grisha, for the link. And for hosting a great session.
The BAT Practice course that just finished is now on demand. http://grishastewart.com/shelterbat
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
different door for the son?
And there is an intro to BAT webinar at http://grishastewart.com/webinar-bat-intro/
Shelly Wood
Shelly Wood
That BAT course was fantastic as is this one!
Good question Ellen
Shelly Wood
Shelly Wood
Such a cool format.
Thanks Shelly!
jemw
it really is
I love it!
jemw
although i’ll be very sleepy tomorrow haha
Uses my geek skills
Thanks for staying up late in the UK
Shelly Wood
Shelly Wood
It is such a needed service for those of us who are a bit isolated and wanted to expand our learning.
Shelly Wood
Shelly Wood
wanting
Caryl-Rose
Or have a Manners Minder for son to trigger from door when mom isn’t there??
Yes! I love that thing.
Caryl-Rose
That was a spin off from Ellen’s idea, but use the manual Treat and Train button as his “doorbell” ?
jemw
i really want to get to one of michaels seminars but can’t quite make it to the us haha
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
does she take a lot of cues from any of the other dogs? Meaning is she more comfortable with one of them around?
Camille Asmer
Camille Asmer
I’d love to see the manners minder at work
I had the mail carrier do that. It’s very helpful.
Dani Office
Dani Office
what is that?
Caryl-Rose
I had a person who brought her dog to work every day door that as a ‘doorbell’ for her office door. Worked!
Awesome!
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Thanks, Jill!
Wendy Dahl
Wendy Dahl
Big thanks to Grisha, Mike, Team Luke & Team Mia.
Thanks Wendy! And thanks for the watching and the questions!
jemw
what’s the reason for the rear clip preference? is it just to have less influence on movement/restriction?
I love the insight on the crumbly treats
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Do you ever work with relaxation exercises outside of trigger distance, however in view of trigger?
Totally true about dog trainers sometimes being stiff decoys
Ellen The Dog Trainer
Ellen The Dog Trainer
OMG so true
jemw
does it take practice to do remote consults and not give away too much in your expressions lol
LOL
Yes
jemw
ah thankyou for clearing that up (the CAT/DRI)
Remember our next meeting is March 12, not next week.
Angie Gilling
Angie Gilling
What about if someone didn’t have much space in their house?
jemw
witching hour lol
I think he already answered that?
We are almost out of time so I’m going to pause the questions now. 🙂
jemw
thankyou
jemw
maybe on your course hahah
The chat box will still work but I want to make sure he gets to all of them that have been asked already
Deb Manheim
Ha Ha I was going to mention how spotless the house was!
jemw
i think i’d have to nuke a room just to have a space clean enough to run a video consult haha
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Engagement – yes, thanks for clarifying.
haha jem
Julie
How important is what direction handler faces? Stacy was facing dog a lot and her dog tended to stare back. Could she have turned and looked at the visitor to encourage checking him out? I’ve also heard “don’t face the trigger to let the dog know – I’m not concerned about that”
jemw
so many really useful little bits of info
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
I have 4 dogs, but I have a weekly cleaning crew, which is why my house doesn’t look like I have dogs
jemw
awesome thankyou
Jacqueline Moreno
incentive program for college kids?
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
My dogs do TTouch outside of trigger distance
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
My pups will ignore triggers if on mat
Eyes on the dog!
Emily Gestrin
Thank you for the session!
Deb Manheim
Deb Manheim
Thanks everyone! Loved watching the dogs and handlers work!
jemw
that was awesome
Janet Graham
Thanks!
Marra
Great session, thank you 🙂
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Great Job Jill and Mia
Camille Asmer
Camille Asmer
thank you!!
Brian Munro
Brian Munro
Thank you!! 🙂
Melanie Gantt
Melanie Gantt
Thank you Mike, Grisha, Stacy, and JIll!!
Nienke
Nienke
Thank you! 🙂