Download as .docx Dogwise Publishing’s Press Release for BAT 2.0 Book Excerpt FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Ellen Naumann ellen@grishastewart.com 818-281-8235 Behavior Adjustment Training 2.0 New training approach brings hope for dog reactivity and socialization
[php] // ****** GRISHA: For each new CCAP, add to function ShowListOfPurchasedProducts() inside the file “includes-custom.php” so they show up on “My Account” page. Put eBooks in folders designated here – folder name is related to the ccaps [/php][s2If is_user_not_logged_in()] If you have purchased this eBook, please log in with the user info that you … Continue reading “Behavior Adjustment Training 2.0” Book →
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“BAT for Geeks: A Technical Perspective on Behavior Adjustment Training 2.0” →
[php] // ****** GRISHA: For each new CCAP, add to function ShowListOfPurchasedProducts() inside the file “includes-custom.php” so they show up on “My Account” page [/php] [PHP]buyNowButton(“course_002_bt”);[/PHP][s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_002_bt)] Start Date: any time! [/s2If]Aggression, frustration, and fear are no fun for the dog or for the caretaker. If you have a dog with these issues or you … Continue reading BAT 101: Introduction to Behavior Adjustment Training →
We ‘dog people’ love our dogs, in ways that people who aren’t bonded to dogs just don’t understand. We have formed a special kind of connection, what scientists call an attachment relationship. It’s not just a preference to attach. We’re literally biologically linked to our attachment figures. Our heart rates and breathing sync up, and … Continue reading The S.A.F.E. Framework for Dog Training & Care: Secure Attachment Family Education →
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Courses are a series of online lessons that provide structure and a self-study homework guide to help you practice. Lessons are written like a private blog, with videos and self-practice assignments. They are accessible to professional dog trainers and regular dog-loving families. Course Titles NOTE: Please read this whole page before clicking on a course title to learn more. Courses without … Continue reading Courses: In-Depth Dog Training & Behavior Lessons →
You can break dog training and care down into several overlapping categories: Training a dog to STOP doing a behavior Training a dog to DO a specific behavior Teaching a dog to let you do something to him Providing a safe, interesting environment Empowering a dog to meet his needs via his own behavior My Mission is to teach … Continue reading Training →
Click to download as .docx FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Ellen Naumann ellen@empoweredanimals.com 818-281-8235 Thought Revolution and Online School Launched by International Dog Training Expert Anchorage, Alaska. June, 2015 – One of the main controversies of the last several decades in animal training is whether or not to train with aversive force. Grisha Stewart is definitely about minimizing … Continue reading Thought Revolution and Online School Launched by International Dog Training Expert (Press Release) →
[php] // ****** GRISHA: For each new CCAP, add to function ShowListOfPurchasedProducts() inside the file “includes-custom.php” so they show up on “My Account” page [/php][PHP]buyNowButton(“ebook_001_ahimsa”);[/PHP][s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_ebook_001_ahimsa)] If you have purchased this eBook, please log in with the user info that you created. Otherwise, please click here to purchase. [/s2If][s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_ccap_ebook_001_ahimsa)] Thank you for purchasing this … Continue reading “Ahimsa Dog Training Manual: A Practical, Force-Free Guide to Problem Solving & Manners” eBook →
Courses are a series of animal behavior lessons, rather than just one-time events. These are primarily meant as continuing education for professional trainers, but many are accessible to regular dog families, too. There are two types of courses: LIVE and Self-Study. Live courses have video interaction with the instructor. Self-study courses are done at your … Continue reading Courses: In-Depth Behavior Lessons for Dogs and People →
In her newly released book, Clinical Behavioral Medicine for Cats and Dogs, Dr. Karen Overall mentions Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT) as a rehabilitation tool for fear in dogs. Unfortunately, the protocol that Overall described as BAT was similar to BAT in some aspects, but nothing like BAT in the parts that matter. I wish I … Continue reading 8 BAT Myths: suggested revisions for Clinical Behavioral Medicine →
“I feel like when we gather to sing–when I call it like a little bubble of a universe–to me it’s like, we have to know what it feels like to then know how to bring it in the greater bubbles, the greater ripples until it becomes something that we know how to feel as an … Continue reading LESSON IS LOVE PODCAST S1E8: Feeling Into the Possibility of a Different World | Shireen Amini →
“For me when I think of consent, particularly black bodies and animals and touch and the violations that have been historically in place and how we’re finding new language and new ways to be together, I feel like the question I often have is: can we slow down and acknowledge what’s happened? Can we see … Continue reading Lesson is Love Podcast S1E7: Tender Touch, Practice vs Performance, and The Skill of Tracking | Aaron Johnson →
“We are whole mind, body, soul beings. And so to just do therapy with the frontal part of the brain is doing the rest of the body a disservice. It’s doing the rest of your healing process a disservice. And not saying that for some people, traditional talk therapy might be their thing–and I love … Continue reading Lesson is Love Podcast S1E6: Tapping, Embodied Healing Practices, and The Value of Re-Membering | Damon Silas →
“How might I take as good of care of myself as I took care of [my dog] Lily? How might I give myself as much grace as I gave her?” -Lisa Moreno
“We should always be our own safest person; it would be really alarming if we were not. But creating that safety takes some work. I know so many people do not have safety with themselves. If I had a mission that would be it, to just help people be safer with themselves.’” -Karen Faith
*Content warnings: mentions of African diaspora slavery at 13:35-14:50 and 36:27-37:25, the Holocaust at 19:00-21:00, and CSA at 25:35-26:00* “This is why these things are happening, because it’s only through the embodiment of these knowings do you carry the wisdom as an elder. And so the song came through: ‘Move at the speed of trust … Continue reading Lesson is Love Podcast S1E3: Practicing Grief and Practicing Pleasure | Alexandra ”Ahlay” Blakely →
“I felt like I was out of control and I didn’t want anybody else to think I was out of control. So that was just young Justin not being comfortable with: ‘I don’t know.’ Just being comfortable with, ‘this dog sometimes does stupid stuff and it’s not my fault, it’s something we should be working … Continue reading Lesson is Love Podcast S1E2: It’s OK to Not Know (Yet) | Justin Farren →
“I love songs that will give me the emotional reality of something I want to live into, so that I can feel it present tense and anchor that experience…and hold that experience as irrefutable proof of: ‘it’s possible to be there. It’s possible to get there.’” -David Wilcox
Resisting the urge to guide or lead is really hard, but it’s ideal when you’re doing BAT for aggression, fear, and frustration in dogs.
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_webinar_041_batevolution)][PHP]buyNowButton(“webinar_041_batevolution”)[/PHP][/s2If][s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_ccap_webinar_041_batevolution)] Thank you for your registration! Important Information: Sound is a little echoey for the first half, but gets better. Thanks for your patience. Slide Notes. This PDF is only for your own use; please do not share. This is a good document to download to write your notes on. The How to Human course that I mention at … Continue reading Evolution of BAT 2.0 (1.5 Hours) →
[php] // ****** GRISHA: For each new CCAP, add to function ShowListOfPurchasedProducts() inside the file “includes-custom.php” so they show up on “My Account” page [/php] Start Date: On-demand This is an archived of a live course, so all lessons are on-demand and you can go at your own pace.[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_008_sh)] This course has moved to … Continue reading BAT Set-Ups Practice Course: Shelter Dog Sessions →
I was surprised to hear that there is still at least one Facebook group that doesn’t allow discussion of Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT) because of where they place it in the Humane Hierarchy. I’d post in the group directly, but I was banned years ago for daring to talk about BAT and besides, it may … Continue reading Where is BAT on the Humane Hierarchy? →
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_004_hh)] To view this lesson, please purchase this course or log in if you have already purchased it.[/s2If][s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_ccap_course_004_hh)] I first encountered Rick Hanson’s books when I met a young woman named Riley. She told me that she had been committed to a mental health unit after a suicide attempt as a teenager. Riley’s … Continue reading (4.2) Taking in the Good →
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_004_hh)] To view this lesson, please purchase this course or log in if you have already purchased it.[/s2If][s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_ccap_course_004_hh)] Labels Aren’t Helpful for People, Either In the dog training field, there’s a movement in the last several years to unlabel the dogs. Susan Friedman, Ph.D. urges us to stop saying “aggressive dog,” “fearful dog,” … Continue reading (3.3) Assumptions: Labels, Attribution Errors, Cognitive Distortion, etc. →
Guest post by Kate Rehman of K9 Triumph Training I am disabled young lady who has a service dog to mitigate my disabilities in my every day life. I do tons of charity volunteer training sessions which are private one on one with rescues, pets, fosters and service dogs. When you at me, you won’t … Continue reading BAT Even Helps Service Dog Teams Walk Better! →
NEWS! My first EP, “My Life is a Metaphor for My Life,” was released November 13, 2019. It’s like a musical hug. You can support the arts and get your own copy here: Physical CD Digital purchase: My website (preferred) Apple Music Amazon Prime Music It’s also free on Spotify and other streaming services. It … Continue reading Music →
Online seminar recorded April 20, 2016 – Presented by: Grisha Stewart, MA, CPDT-KA. Looking for a great way to jumpstart your dog training and have a stronger relationship with your dog? Or maybe you’re a professional trainer looking for better ways to train or explain? Professional dog trainer and author Grisha Stewart has a unique perspective on life … Continue reading Teamwork Empowerment Seminar Recording (2.25 hours) →
Here are some articles from the web with information on BAT. Some are all about BAT, some are about aggression or fear and discuss using BAT for rehabilitation. Please keep in mind that all of the articles before 2014 are about BAT 1.0. The Beauty of BAT (And How it Can Help Your Reactive Pup!) … Continue reading Other Sites With Info On BAT →
Have questions about BAT? There are many discussion groups for BAT. The official BAT group on Facebook is the best way to get questions answered about the theory of BAT and how BAT should be done in a particular situation. There are also some regional BAT groups run by people interested in meeting up to … Continue reading Chat Groups →
This is a listing of many of the past seminars and events. Many of these links will be broken because they are for past seminars. Click to see a list of Upcoming Seminars Japan Seminar Tokyo Empowered Socialization: BAT for Dog Reactivity Joey Iversen December 5–6, 2015 Michigan Seminar Ann Arbor, Michigan (Chelsea) Empowered Socialization: … Continue reading Past Seminars →
Grisha Stewart is an author, international speaker, dog trainer, and online dog school facilitator based in Oregon, USA, who specializes in dog reactivity and canine empowerment. She founded Ahimsa Dog Training in Seattle in 2003, which she sold to a staff member in 2015. Grisha’s Ahimsa team earned many awards, including Best of Seattle and … Continue reading About Grisha Stewart, MA, CPDT-KA, KPACTP →
Click to download as .docx FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact Info Creating a Canine Connection The art of connecting with your dog is more powerful than ever BAT Teamwork Seminars with Grisha Stewart
Communication and Cooperation for Aggression, Fear, Frustration, and Manners Professional dog trainer and author Grisha Stewart has a unique perspective on life with dogs and reactivity. Her training style focuses on using clear communication and empowerment to improve the whole family’s quality of life, including humans, dogs, and any other species that shares your home. Grisha will be teaching BAT Teamwork dog training … Continue reading “BAT Teamwork” Dog Seminars →
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_level3)] Please log in as a Pro member to see the recording of Grisha’s November, 2015 interview with Joseph LeDoux below. If you are not yet a member, we hope you will join us for the live interviews and other great features of our school. Click here for membership info. [/s2If][s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_level3)]Thanks for being a Pro Member! The recording of Grisha’s November, 2015 interview with Joseph … Continue reading Joseph LeDoux, Ph.D. (Neuroscience) Recording →
After 20+ years as a dog trainer, I’ve choen to pause offering in-person seminars on dog training at this time and focus on other passions. The Grisha Stewart Academy for dog behavior and care is still active; it has over 150 classes online and I think I’ve taught about 40-50 of them. The good news: … Continue reading Host an Event with Grisha →
Quick links: Why BAT? CBATI Directory Certified Behavior Adjustment Training Instructors (CBATIs) are the best choice when you are looking to use BAT for aggression, frustration, fear, and socialization. CBATIs are professional trainers who have passed a detailed practical skills assessment and theoretical exam about BAT for dog reactivity. There are two levels of CBATIs, both of … Continue reading Why Choose a CBATI as Your Dog Trainer? →
CBATI Certification Has Changed! The CBATI designation is now available in two levels. CBATI-KA: Certified Behavior Adjustment Training Instructor Knowledge Assessed CBATI-KSA: Certified Behavior Adjustment Training Instructor Knowledge and Skills Assessed. Students must achieve the CBATI-KA Certification before applying for CBATI-KSA. Certification of BAT instructors provides dog owners with a trusted source of referrals … Continue reading Certification →
Live seminar recorded June 16, 2015 in Anchorage, Alaska – Presented by: Grisha Stewart MA, CPDT-KA, KPACTP . Does your dog have fear, aggression, or frustration issues? View this seminar for expert help. This is also suitable for professional dog trainers, but the focus is on ‘regular’ dog owners.
Click to download as .docx FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Ellen Naumann ellen@empoweredanimals.com 818-281-8235 Follow your dog: How a little black dog led his trainer to the world and the web Grisha Stewart Follows Her Dog Again and Launches Animal Building Blocks Academy
In this video, Grisha gives an overview of counterconditioning, “Behavior Adjustment Training,” and “Treat and Retreat.” These three useful techniques are used in different ways to rehabilitate fear of people, other dogs, surfaces, body contact, etc. These techniques are essential for professional dog trainers and pet owners alike. We will go over counterconditioning and BAT in more depth in … Continue reading (Video 29) Scary Monsters! 3 Useful Ways to Reduce Your Pets’ Fear →
Grisha Stewart, MA, CPDT-KA, KPACTP is a dog trainer, keynote speaker, and community weaver who frequently does video, audio, and print interviews. Grisha is the founder of the Grisha Stewart Academy online dog training school and co-founder of Stellar Village, a global folk school nurturing the collective nervous system. In her 20+ years as a … Continue reading Media Press Kit →
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_003_ep)] To view this lesson, please purchase the Empowered Puppy Raising course or log in if you have already purchased it.[/s2If] [s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_ccap_course_003_ep)] Please keep working with your dog on all of the activities you learned in the course. You can keep working and check back here any time. If you haven’t already signed … Continue reading What’s Next? →
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_002_bt)] To view this lesson, please purchase this course or log in if you have already purchased it.[/s2If] [s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_ccap_course_002_bt)] We have the lessons clustered into weeks, but don’t be put off by that if you need to take more time. It’s very common to spend 2-3 weeks on each “week” of lessons from … Continue reading Lesson 1: (BAT Overview) What is BAT? →
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_001_bm)] To view this lesson, please purchase this course or log in if you have already purchased it.[/s2If] [s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_ccap_course_001_bm)] Please keep working with your dog on all of the activities you learned in the course. You can keep working and check back here any time. If you haven’t already signed up for membership, … Continue reading What’s Next? →
Online seminar recorded June 10, 2014 – Presented by Grisha Stewart MA, CPDT-KA, KPACTP. This introduction to BAT is meant for anyone who walks a dog, puppy, or even a potbellied pig. It may also be used by trainers or dog lovers who are using Behavior Adjustment Training to rehabilitate reactivity. Learn about various ways … Continue reading BAT Leash Skills (1.25 hours) →
On-demand webinar recorded February 29, 2020 – Presented by: Grisha Stewart, MA, CPDT-KA. This introduction to Behavior Adjustment Training 2.0 is meant for people who are having issues with their dogs. It may also be used by trainers who would like an introduction to BAT. [php] // ****** GRISHA: For each new CCAP, add to … Continue reading Intro to BAT 2.0 (2.25 hours) New! →
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“BAT 2.0 Set-Ups: How to Orchestrate Basic Set-Ups and Variations with Dogs” →
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“Survival Skills: Coping with Dog Reactivity in Real Life” →
[php] // ****** GRISHA: For each new CCAP, add to function ShowListOfPurchasedProducts() inside the file “includes-custom.php” so they show up on “My Account” page [/php][PHP]buyNowButton(“course_001_bm”);[/PHP][s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_001_bm)] Start Date: any time! “I WANT TO DO THAT. NOW!” If dogs could speak in a human language, some of them would be screaming these words in frustration. [/s2If]We … Continue reading Barking Mad: BAT and Other Techniques for Frustration →
What vision do you have for your dog? What does he or she need to do to be “perfect” for you? How can you go beyond perfect? This lesson discusses the concept of empowered animal care. [s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_ccap_course_003_ep)] To view this lesson, please purchase this course or log in if you have already purchased it.[/s2If] … Continue reading Lesson 2: (Philosophy) Empowerment and the Perfect Puppy →
Tired of a barking dog? Socializing a puppy? If you want your dog to be calm around other dogs, you can help your dog practice being calm. In this 11-minute video, I explain Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT), which I developed to reduce aggression, frustration and fear in dogs and other animals.
For Dog Trainers & Families: We care about Dogs AND People at the Grisha Stewart Academy You belong here! The Grisha Stewart Academy is a collaborative online dog school where professional dog trainers and families get practical, theoretical, and emotional support. The GSA is the home of BAT (Behavior Adjustment Training) for dog reactivity and … Continue reading You Belong! Helping dogs and humans thrive in community →
One of the most important aspects of a humane training protocol is that it is minimally intrusive. One way to think of minimally intrusive is that the animal has maximal control over significant events. BAT 2.0 shifts forward to focus even more on allowing the dog to have control of the process within a safe … Continue reading BAT 2.0 and BAT 1.0: What’s Different? →
Guest post by Jody Epstein, CPDT-KA Picture this: You and Polly are walking together in your neighborhood. She’s showing off just how good her leash skills are. And then . . . you see it. Down the street . . . another dog is coming. Suddenly your Perfect Polly does a full-blown Jekyll & Hyde, … Continue reading “Lunging Lucy” & “Growly Gus” →
I’ve done some soul-searching about what makes Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT) work and my hypothesis from a behavior analytical perspective is that BAT involves desensitization, naturally occurring negative reinforcement (R-), and both naturally occurring and trainer-delivered positive reinforcement (R+). I now believe that the change in emotional response in BAT 2.0 is largely due to the controllability of the … Continue reading What Makes BAT Work? →
If you are wondering what BAT is about or how to use it with your dog, check out this interview on Behavior Adjustment Training with dog trainer Victoria Stilwell from the TV show “It’s Me or the Dog” http://positively.com/2012/12/13/positively-podcast-episode-311 (Interview with Grisha Stewart is just over 5 minutes. It starts at 22:40 and goes to … Continue reading BAT Interview with Victoria Stilwell →
Description Order Behavior Adjustment Training 2.0: Practical Techniques for Fear, Frustration, and Aggression in Dogs. Book (2016.). About 300 pages of text, illustrations, and photos. The book goes more deeply into theoretical discussions than the videos, and also gives loads of practical advice on the latest BAT technique. Order on GrishaStewart.com The Official Ahimsa Dog … Continue reading Videos & Books →
Click here for the video. Note that if it doesn’t say who typed, then that’s me (Grisha). 6:39 AM Teressa Hill Teressa Hill Good morning! 6:47 AM Good morning, Teressa! Teressa Hill Teressa Hill I can hear you Grisha. Thanks Teressa! If any of you can’t hear me, be sure that your system volume is … Continue reading Chat Transcript for Review Session 2 →
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_level2)]We answer members’ pet training and behavior questions in live sessions, which are recorded and shown here. Please log in or sign up for a Student or Pro membership to see the video.[/s2If][s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_level2)] [/s2If] Dog training and care questions in this video: Wondering your thoughts on amputation of a rear limb for a cat. Looking for your input from emotional/quality of life/behavior/adjustment tips … Continue reading How Can I Help My Cat Transition Into Being a Tripod? November 3 →
CBATI Program Coordinator Claire Goyer, CBATI-KSA, BA (Hons.), PG Dip., HND As the CBATI Program Coordinator, Claire is involved in a wide range of requests relating to BAT: CBATI applications, BAT seminars and general communication on all things CBATI-related. Claire is responsible for ensuring the CBATI applicants’ Assessments are thoroughly evaluated and handles communication channels during … Continue reading Certification Team →
[s2If current_user_cannot(access_s2member_level2)]We answer members’ pet training and behavior questions in live sessions, which are recorded and provided here for easy access. Please log in or sign up for a Student or Pro membership to see the video on this page.[/s2If][s2If current_user_can(access_s2member_level2)] [vc_video link=”https://vimeo.com/134768111″][/s2If] Dog training and care questions in this video: Does bean spend time is a crate? How is peanut dealing with bean … Continue reading Could You Talk About Ninja BAT? (and More) July 28 →
There is nothing better than learning about dog training from a professional, with a chance to ask questions and interact with the speaker. Upcoming in-person and online seminars are on this page. If you don’t see one close enough to you, consider hosting (or finding a local trainer to host) a seminar. Canada BAT Instructor’s Course (Vancouver). Abbotsford, BC (near Vancouver). 5-Day hands-on … Continue reading Upcoming Seminars →
Check this out! If you are interested in learning more about BAT in an audio form, please visit the Animal Cafe to hear an interview with me by Kelly Dunbar. Animal Cafe is a great new venue with a variety of well-known dog bloggers doing not just regular blog posts, but also podcasts. The interview … Continue reading Animal Cafe Interviews Grisha about BAT →